tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2065164884737080821.post4566415620379118456..comments2023-10-17T14:31:52.102-04:00Comments on Est Quod Est: "This feels real good"Paulihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17506171638613025839noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2065164884737080821.post-73385568850993609612010-08-18T23:14:50.848-04:002010-08-18T23:14:50.848-04:00Glad to have discovered this blog -- it's a go...Glad to have discovered this blog -- it's a good one!<br /><br />Deo Gratias!Trad Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14342539961485077257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2065164884737080821.post-35940816002271467572010-08-17T22:20:10.973-04:002010-08-17T22:20:10.973-04:00Barb, these people are officially called Extraordi...Barb, these people are officially called Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist, and the title "Eucharistic Minister" is also used for their role. In a traditional Latin Mass you wouldn't see these people, but the church has allowed them for quite some time. Even in the past, e.g. in wartime for soldiers or for emergency sick calls, lay people have been given permission to administer the already consecrated host.<br /><br />A lot of trads point to the proliferation of these lay ministers as an abuse and at the very least, as something that lends itself to abuse. They have a really good point, imho. Our bishop recently made everyone serving as an extraordinary minister go to a class and changed some rules about when they were allowed to go into the sanctuary, i.e., where the altar is. One problem is that some of these folks begin seeing themselves as "little priests" and I've even seen some behave as if they had some right to be up on the altar. I also have good friends who are Eucharistic Ministers who could probably teach a theology class....<br /><br />A priest wanted me to become a Eucharistic Minister once and I resisted because I didn't feel like it fit my spirituality. When I receive the Body and Blood of Our Lord I want to be left the hell alone for awhile to talk to Him and try to hear what he is saying to me. Well, it's OK if my 2-year-old crawls around on me the whole time. But the priest is given the "grace of state" to deal with all the crap that goes on during communion, and I've seen some serious crap, believe me.Paulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17506171638613025839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2065164884737080821.post-24123863905712281052010-08-17T20:04:44.101-04:002010-08-17T20:04:44.101-04:00Okay, I need some information. At the Catholic chu...Okay, I need some information. At the Catholic church my in-laws attend, and which I have attended for special family events, men *and* women stand at the sides passing out the wafers, and the priest stands in the middle with the cup. Is this not acceptable to most Catholics, or just not "trads"?Barb the Evil Geniushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04635449477605703171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2065164884737080821.post-25529547210043565472010-08-16T18:40:03.319-04:002010-08-16T18:40:03.319-04:00Nice analysis, Pauli. In theological terms, the n...Nice analysis, Pauli. In theological terms, the nickname "Mistake on the Lake" is rather apt now.<br /><br />Great blog - came here via Rich's "Ten Reasons".Larry Denningerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06015803653090711740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2065164884737080821.post-8165295456963883982010-08-16T13:58:12.358-04:002010-08-16T13:58:12.358-04:00Tom, here are some simpler questions: "What i...Tom, here are some simpler questions: "What is this priest's endgame? Has he thought of an endgame?"<br /><br />I'm starting to suspect from googling names of people involved that these are just the same old angry Cleveland dissidents leveraging church closings and agitating the community. But they've succeeded in creating a news story here which is always one of their goals.Paulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17506171638613025839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2065164884737080821.post-49402093588333227562010-08-16T13:52:57.100-04:002010-08-16T13:52:57.100-04:00Wouldn't the priest have to ask himself how he...Wouldn't the priest have to ask himself how he can be so wonderful he can found his own church at the same time the best he can do for followers are people so stupid they follow a priest who founds his own church?Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09534284662785499386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2065164884737080821.post-31478754889255125572010-08-16T11:29:21.682-04:002010-08-16T11:29:21.682-04:00I made a comment over at the article noting a comm...I made a comment over at the article noting a comment on a <a href="http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/priest_of_breakaway_st._louis_parish_says_he_is_willing_to_step_down/" rel="nofollow">similar situation in St. Louis.</a> "Unfortunately, the parish has become the place for dissidents of all flavors, and not merely those Polish immigrants and descendants who split from the Church."<br /><br />A lot of people behind this protest movement in Cleveland are typical community agitators. They put a notice on everyone's car at St. Angela's--a parish with virtually no chance of closing--telling us all to quit giving money to the church. They love chaos and are secretly enjoying the anger as well as feeding it.Paulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17506171638613025839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2065164884737080821.post-36486148321671960662010-08-16T10:10:07.897-04:002010-08-16T10:10:07.897-04:00I like the image of trads singing "Christ be ...I like the image of trads singing "Christ be our light" with the priest's back to them. It would be a great exercise in humility.kathleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09760546833628880462noreply@blogger.com