Rod Dreher likes this statement of Mark Shea's
The libertarian tends to remember that government is a menace due to the fall. He does not tend to remember that he is a menace due to the fall. He wants freedom from government so that he can do whatever the hell he wants. And frequently, he wants hell.
calling it really, really good and "Chestertonian".
The Man from K Street, who is often so astute in his criticism that it's a wonder he's still permitted to comment, notes that the traditionalists share some personality traits with libertarians, particularly in their lack of a real public spirit, what K-Man calls poliphobia.
Shea, as usual, has it half-correct. ~80% of the libertarians I know are certifiable misanthropes.
Guess what, though? So are the vast majority of Paleocons I've known--Shea's "traditionalist conservatives" and libertarians share more personal qualities than I think either would care to admit, and one quality in particular:
Poliphobia. It is one of the great practical fallacies of both libertarianism and even religiously tinged Paleoconservatism. Both are philosophies that tend to attract disproportionate numbers of people who have no real public spirit whatsoever, no poliphilia.
It isn't the first time a critic of the Crunchies made this charge, as Rod addressed a similar idea fifteen months ago.
He responds, first, by saying that we shouldn't be presumptuous about the Crunchies' community activities, as if they have never been presumptuous about others. He then demonstrates having missed the point entirely by writing, "I also don’t see why it doesn't count as community activism to be involved in building up one’s own 'little enclaves.'"
("Who is my neighbor?" the lawyer asked in Luke 10. Does Rod think the answer was "only your blood relatives?")
He then says that the reason he does less community work than his father is because he works longer hours, and he "can't" do otherwise. ("Believe me, if I could work shorter hours, I would.")
I wonder if that explanation would fly with Rod for those who are more comfortable within mainstream conservatism and what he calls the "party of greed." I hope that Christian charity and simple consistency would encourage him to give them the benefit of the doubt rather than write that they're embracing convenient excuses to indulge their conspicuous lifestyles, that they really could work fewer hours if their priorities were aligned more with God, family, and the Permanent Things.
But, returning to Shea's quote, the Man from K Street misses a similarity between the traditionalists and the libertarians, something that commenter ScurvyOaks notices: the traditionalist conservative is a menace due to the fall just as much as the libertarian.
Speaking for myself and my own libertarian tendencies, I don't deny that I have been a fallen sinner in need of God's grace and redemption, but I'm not sure how salvation and the subsequent growth into spiritual maturity is hampered by limited government, or how it is enabled by people like Shea telling me what to do and having the coercive force of the government to impose his will upon me.
Immediately after the Chestertonian condemnation of libertarians, Shea writes, "The Traditionalist (and by this, I have in view the Christian tradition since it is, like, the basis of Western civilization) wants freedom in order to attempt, with God's help, virtue."
Because he too is fallen, I doubt the typical traditionalist truly desires virtue with all his heart. Because he too is fallen, I doubt his conception of what is virtuous is flawless, and because he too is fallen, I doubt that his political program for maximizing virtue does not contain serious unintended consequences.
Let's focus on the conception of what is virtuous.
Caleb Stegall wrote that finding Jesus is perhaps impossible in the suburbs, and Rod recently wrote about the virtue and possible necessity of staying in one place. When people like them endorse the view that libertarians want Hell, they may be condemning much more than the legal brothels and opium dens that some libertarians advocate: they may be criticizing the simple freedom to live where one wants.
They can believe whatever foolish thing they want, but when they want political power to be wielded to accomplish their goals, and when they criticize as literally damned those who are wary of such an abuse of power, they reveal the dangerous direction of their political beliefs.
Perhaps they should stop sighing over their own pseudo-Chestertonian quips long enough to consider something C.S. Lewis wrote, which Thomas Sowell recorded as one of his favorite quotations.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Note there is a difference between "poliphobia" and a condition I've come across before known as "Pauliphobia".
ReplyDeleteThis is sooooo perceptive. "Poliphobia"---I love it.
ReplyDeleteOK, hate to harp on this...but Rod's embrace of Orthodoxy fits right in with his "poliphobia." Although some American Orthodox parishes have begun to engage in social outreach, Orthodoxy as a whole is still, as it has been traditionally, focused rather inward. This is a huge, complex topic, and I don't want to reduce it to simplistic categories...but let's just say that there are reasons why the West, not the East, engaged in the great waves of missionary activity, founded the great medieval charitable hospitals, organized charitable religious orders such as the Daughters of Charity and the Blessed Sacrament Sisters, etc. etc. etc. Meanwhile devout Orthodox were busy attempting to contemplate the Uncreated Light of Mount Tabor. :) Nothing wrong with that, but the Gospel encompasses more.
An Internet Orthodox once told me that "monasticism is the heart of Christianity." OHHHHHkay. I think monasticism is great--and I pointed out that we had it in the West, too--but the heart of Christianity? I don't think so.
Anyway...Rod's "poliphobia" (ISTM) would lend itself to navel-gazing. Too bad such a focus rather misses the point of the Gospel. ;) OK, end of snark.
God bless,
Diane
monasticism might be the "heart of christianity" if that heart is actually pumping blood somewhere. hearts never just beat unto themselves for their own sake, after all. what's the point of having a "heart" if it doesn't circulate blood anywhere?
ReplyDeletepauli, that's so *chilling* that you would put up a template as triumphalist and threatening as fireworks, especially in the same week as the dictatorial pardon of Scooter Libby and renewed vigor behind the "war on terror" because of a couple of nails in a couple of cars in britain.
ReplyDeletethis year, any truly virtuous christian would find fireworks positively demonic.
signed wawison
LOL, Son-of-Wawi. I suppose you would have rather have seen a picture of Mitt's mutt being horribly sacrificed in an ancient, bloody Mormon rite on top of the family car.
ReplyDeleteWhat some people need to realize is this: if everything is a scandal, then nothing is a scandal -- just as if the crunchies' sacramentalism makes everything holy, then nothing is holy, for holiness denotes being set apart.
ReplyDeleteChecking Rod's blog, I see he's as breathless about Libby's commutation as he is about, well, everything else he loathes about Bush. (And he continues to demonstrate that he uses words because they sound good, not because they have any connection to reality, as even if Iraq is a defeat, it's by no reasonable means "a disaster of historical proportions".)
His latest DaMN editorial is another ringing of the bell that we should have that "tragic sense of life" when discussing matters of war. Not for the first time, one of Rod's children is evoked for no good reason: the image of him as a sleeping cherub, no less, in prose so exploitive that I almost recommend someone calling a social worker -- or Rod's old journalism professors.
And Rod discusses Ratatouille. I would have never raised this question about Rod's reaction to Pixar's Cars if I knew their next work was going to be about French cuisine.
I loved Ratatoille, myself: it's a brilliant gem of a film, delightful from start to finish.
A funny thing worth noting from Rod's comments is this: the movie makes the point that the critic's role in the world is far less important than the artist, that even a mediocre cook making dinner for his family is doing more good than the critc. Rod picked up on this, but he still couldn't stop from picking at what he thinks are the movie's weaknesses: characterization and a story that might be over little kids heads.
Even when a movie addresses the critic directly, some "ex-critics" can apparently less disinterestedly.
And that brings us back to being both the audience and the target of Chesterton's wit...
I'm glad you and Bubba have officially made 'choice' your Sacrament. Like Thomas Sowell - great Catholic mind is he - you completely miss out on C.S. Lewis's point, not that he's one I'm likely to quote. C.S. Lewis was relecting much like St. Thomas Aquinas had that governance is not meant for the perfected. Government should meet men where they are, as sinners, and work with them to make them holy. Those with authority shouldn't lord it over people. The presence of governance isn't tyranny, no matter how much Sowell and the other liberterines which to make it out to be. The quote certainly isn't some apologetic for libertines.
ReplyDeleteForrest, perhaps you should argue for and defend your assertion about what Lewis meant rather than tell us, wicked libertines that we are, committed as we are to sacramentalizing choice.
ReplyDeleteMyself, I've read a lot of Lewis' work, and I don't think you know what you're talking about.
On this subject, I'm fond of what Reagan said, even though Reagan wasn't Catholic and thus shouldn't be consulted on anything.
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
The government performs only sporadically well at keeping the peace by punishing criminals, and it does a very poor job at meeting material needs of those poor souls under its tender care. God help us if the government really decides its job is to make us holy.
"governance is not meant for the perfected. Government should meet men where they are, as sinners, and work with them to make them holy."
ReplyDeleteyou might believe that Lewis said that, but that's because you misunderstand grievously. what a crock. it's a great leap from realizing "governance is not meant for the perfected" to "therefore government should work with the unperfect to make them more perfect". INSTEAD government should *leave a vacuum* wherein God/the church/religion is allowed to work toward perfection of God's creatures. thus, government may outlaw murder for moral reasons, but government must not compel church attendance (or even purchase of local produce) for moral reasons. read the documents of the founding fathers, please. this is pretty basic stuff, but apparently it rankles with those -- many of whom inexplicably insist on calling themselves "conservative" -- who believe government can and should fix everything. government can only work to improve the holiness of its citizens if it gets out of the freaking way of said citizens.
btw: six posts on the libby clemency and counting from sir dreher, who is thoroughly offended by the "inconsistency" it represents.
ReplyDeleteas we know from his book and his blog, *consistency* is what dreher prizes above all else.
I agree with Kathleen that the principles at the root of America's founding were hardly consistent with the idea that the government helps people become holy. I believe the idea was that men are -- and should be -- free to worship God and to work toward holiness on their own or with the free association that comes with the local church. Even accounting for Adam Smith's statement that our Constitution only works "for a moral and religious people", the right to worship entails the right not to worship. Virtue cannot be coerced, so the liberty to practice virtue exists only when there is at least some license to indulge vice.
ReplyDeleteI would go further that the idea of a governmental Department of Human Holiness is not only against the principles of the American founding, it really has a tough place within Christian theology. The only thing that Paul wrote the government was ordained by God to do was "bear the sword": retributive justice, not salvation by grace nor the sanctification that follows.
No, here again, the traditionalists might be appealing more to the attitudes of Judaism, which by its own admission provided only a temporary covenant until the advent of the new covenant promised in Jermiah 31. Just as the idea that all food is sacramental suggests a new set of kosher regulations, the idea that the government works to make men holy is a return to the theocracy of ancient Israel, where the priests who made the atoning sacrifices were also representatives of the state.
Conservatives conserve, but there are a wide variety of traditions, practices, and philosophies that could be preserved: by no means can they all be reconciled. I'd rather conserve a classical liberalism that grows out of the (especially Scottish) Enlightenment, that isn't scared to death of innovation and individual (especially economic) freedom, and that is tempered by Christian ethics.
It seems that paleos disagree, and they disparage people like me by calling us libertines, not realizing or perhaps not caring that we already have on good authority that what we eat doesn't defile us.
The only consistency Dreher adheres to Kathleen is Bush is stupid and the war on terror is a mistake. The fact that we have not been attacked in since 9/11 does not figure into his bias. Neither does the views of any soldiers who served over their and fought over there. Unless, they are trashing Bush of course.
ReplyDeleteAlso, quoting Dreher on Libertarianism is like quoting Bill Maher on Libertarianism. The same Bill Maher in 2000 who said he was Libertarian yet supported Ralph Nader. That is like saying you are an Atheist but Jesus is your role model.
ReplyDeleteKathleen, there's a certain consistency to Rod's inconsistency.
ReplyDeleteIn case you missed it, we do see a reference to his North Star.
"I have no problem with examples being made of them when they commit crimes, for the same reason crooked cops deserve stronger sentences, and clergymen and teachers who molest minors do as well. Those who are given greater responsibility and trust are subject to the 'corruption of the best is the worst' principle." [emphasis mine]
Funny, I would think that op-ed journalists should be held more accountable in defending their implausible assertions and half-baked ruminations, and I also think that rags like the NY Times have proven themselves untrustworthy on Iraq, and certainly not to be the final authority on whether the Surge has failed. Rod clearly doesn't agree, but again, there's a certain consistency, after all.
On greater responsiblity, I must add a reference to this:
ReplyDeleteThe irresponsibility that plagues this book reaches one of its crescendos when he writes: "What kind of an economy should we have, then? I don't know; I'm a writer, not an economist" (emphasis added).
interesting idea bubba! by dreher's lights, the government should be free to prosecute those who dare to publish, and be monetarily compensated for, opinions that are demonstrably half-baked, since that conforms to the "corruption of the best is the worst" principle.
ReplyDelete-- whereas those who don't publish their opinions for money are free to have half-baked ones and be free from prosecution --
i like it.
M. Z. Forrest makes a claim which I've heard before that a writer has been taken out of context when he disagrees with it. He then throws in a few assertions of his own and provides no supporting context. Kicking off his thought is a claim we have made choice our sacrament.
ReplyDeleteI really don't understand what he means. I have to confess that this may be due to a lack of education on this matter. I have always been taught that choice or choosing is merely a process, and that it is what one chooses to do -- or not to do -- which determines how holy one becomes.
Maybe he will choose to clarify here or on his blog which he chooses to author. Or maybe it's one of those things that only the enlightened have the ability to comprehend, that we are doomed to ignorance and truly have no choice in the matter.
maybe choice is a sacrament, since God gave us free will. or maybe forrest was being sarcastic and he actually believes that "lack of choice" is a sacrament -- how he reconciles that with free will, i can only guess.
ReplyDeleteor maybe forrest erroneously assumes that because of our position on crunchy conservatism we are by definition "pro choice" as in OK with abortion (abortion as a sacrament = "choice as a sacrament"?) as always, the cipher of "crunchy conservatism" really means "virtuous conservatism", and forrest is trying to imply in a very roundabout way that contra crunchies are not virtuous, and therefore necessarily pro abortion. at this point i'm convinced that anyone who calls himself a "crunchy conservative" is really calling himself a "virtuous conservative". as has been demonstrated repeatedly, crunchy conservatives are people who want to hurl insults at other conservatives while appearing virtuous.
ReplyDeletein reply to people like forrest, one can only insist that they say what they mean instead of implying the worst. except i don't think forrest himself knows what he means or what he wants to say.