Thursday, January 8, 2009

The "and me" meme should be drowned, slowly

by Pauli

This reminds me of this.

Rod Dreher loves dancing on graves. Watch him do the Watusi....


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Posted by Pauli at 1/08/2009 11:19:00 PM

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28 comments:

  1. TomJanuary 9, 2009 at 8:38 AM

    I can't quite get past the term "undue charity." Is it a hermeneutic key, or just sloppy writing?

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  2. PauliJanuary 9, 2009 at 10:43 AM

    It's funny... that's the phrase that jumped out at me, and I wrote this to the person who sent me the link: "Rod's revealing phrase to me is "undue charity". Since when is our charity not due to someone? Anyway, Timlin wasn't so much not credible as he was *wrong* about the SSJ; I knew good trad Catholics who gave big money to them. They suckered in many people, not just Timlin."

    I don't think on judgment day God will tell many people "You were too charitable."

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  3. DianeJanuary 9, 2009 at 11:07 AM

    I don't think on judgment day God will tell many people "You were too charitable."

    OK, can't resist: Something tells me God definitely won't say that to Rod.

    OK, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa....

    (Yes, I know--God won't say it to me, either.)

    Diane, posting under her husband's name because she's too lazy to change the settings

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  4. DianeJanuary 9, 2009 at 11:08 AM

    Oops, sorry for double post!

    BTW, though: Isn't there a perfume called Obsession? I think I'll send a bottle to Rod.

    Diane

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  5. kathleenJanuary 9, 2009 at 12:46 PM

    the dude just has zero class.

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  6. DianeJanuary 9, 2009 at 12:52 PM

    And some of his acolytes are even more classless--notably that EricW dude.

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  7. kathleenJanuary 9, 2009 at 1:11 PM

    btw, wtf is a "Mottramist"? so we can just make up terms about certain traits of fictional characters by adding an "ism" to their name? like if someone is vain i can call them a "MissPiggyist"?

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  8. DianeJanuary 9, 2009 at 1:32 PM

    LOL, I think "Montanist" was the word the poster was groping toward.

    Oh my. Who *are* these people? Did you see that charitable little tidbit from Scott Walker? What creeps these Roddites are!

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  9. pikkumattiJanuary 9, 2009 at 2:53 PM

    My favorite part is "I tell you this story not to speak ill of Father Neuhaus, certainly, but to shed light on his complex character."

    Yeah right.

    Well maybe "not speaking ill" was in fact not Crunchy's primary purpose. His primary purpose was, as usual, tooting his own horn as the sole determiner of what is truly important and what is not.

    P.S. Thanks (not) for reminding me that there was such a thing as the Crunchy Con blog. I had completely forgotten about its existence, and was doing fine, thank you very much.

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  10. DianeJanuary 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM

    LOL, I second that P.S.!!!! :)

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  11. DianeJanuary 9, 2009 at 3:03 PM

    BTW, who is the wittily named Roland de Chanson? He/she is a hoot!

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  12. DianeJanuary 9, 2009 at 3:10 PM

    I believe SDG (another perceptive guy at the Dreherrhea Blog) is Steven Greydanus, who has more credibility in his little finger than Dreher has in his entire body.

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  13. kathleenJanuary 9, 2009 at 3:15 PM

    no, it's definitely "mottramist", named after julia's husband in Brideshead Revisited (if you're gonna insist on this ridicuous practice, dreher, at least make it a non-minor character)

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  14. DianeJanuary 9, 2009 at 3:23 PM

    Thanks for the correction, Kathleen. LOL, I guess that, since I never visit the Dreherrhea Blog any more (until today), I had missed that li'l bit o' brilliance.

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  15. PauliJanuary 9, 2009 at 4:11 PM

    "And now abide in these three: Faith, Hope and Righteous Anger, but the greatest of these is Anger." - Rod's Bible

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  16. DianeJanuary 9, 2009 at 4:32 PM

    Highly selective righteous anger.

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  17. kathleenJanuary 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM

    i'd like to coin a new term here: "dreherist". it's someone who transforms righteous anger into probably all seven deadly sins of gluttony, vanity, wrath, pride, sloth, greed, and lust.

    conveniently, in the grand scheme of things dreher is at least as minor a character as Rex Mottram.

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  18. pikkumattiJanuary 9, 2009 at 5:34 PM

    And when abiding in Righteous Anger, beware of falling victim to the temptation of Undue Charity.

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  19. UnknownJanuary 9, 2009 at 10:18 PM

    "Anyway, Timlin wasn't so much not credible as he was *wrong* about the SSJ; I knew good trad Catholics who gave big money to them. They suckered in many people, not just Timlin."
    "

    I hate to talk out of school, but if it is open season...

    Well it occurs to me that the last person who can talk about the SSJ and characterize them as "Society of St.John, a weird Catholic men's order" would be any soul who ventures east to the OCA...

    They are chock full-o-crazies. Not all of them, not each of them, but the ratio of crazy to normie... They take 'em all.

    Anyone who doubts this can take a look at the former Greek Catholic monks from the "Monastery of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross" who, after a murder, one step ahead of their Catholic bishop, with God-knows-what story, discovered all-holy Orthodoxy and were... (drum roll) taken in!

    A micro-denom that (at its most generous reckonings) numbers 37K faithful (with 17 living bishops, including the recently disgraced archbishop who was essentially ousted, and 1,000+ clegyman!) has been time, and time, and time again conned (crunchy conned?) by raskols in riasson with pie-in-the-sky aspirations.

    So this is me pissing on the OCA? No, it is me calling out this hypocrite for only ever wanting to call a spade a dirty-old-shovel. Every text-book example of mismanagement, poor direction, episcopal abuse, sex scandal, malfiesance and incompetence can be found in his OWN new found church home...

    Not that anyone would notice or care...

    But he can still get the hits pissing on his old home, and ripping to shreads his former church that people HAVE heard of.



    Sorry to be in such a foul mood... Dreher hit a new low today.

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  20. UnknownJanuary 9, 2009 at 10:27 PM

    http://theblackcordelias.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/trampling-on-the-grave-of-a-man-before-it-has-even-been-dug/

    My thoughts.

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  21. DianeJanuary 10, 2009 at 1:27 AM

    "But he can still get the hits pissing on his old home, and ripping to shreads his former church that people HAVE heard of."

    LOL, that explains everything, now that you mention it. Rod simply can't stand the fact that he's now part of a church no one has heard of or gives two hoots about. Sure, it's esoteric and mystical-shmystical and all that good gnostic stuff which makes a crunchy elitist feel special and superior and so on. But darn it, no one has heard of it, and this is a constant irritation to Rod. The one thing he truly cannot stand is to be irrelevant, and, ever since he doxed, that's precisely what he is. Even the mainstream media don't want to hear from a disgruntled ex-Catholic about Catholic foibles; they prefer disgruntled Catholics for that sort of thing.

    No wonder the guy's frothing at the mouth, gnashing his teeth, and completely losing his cool.

    ;)

    Diane

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  22. DianeJanuary 10, 2009 at 1:32 AM

    BTW, I'm kind of a math dunce, but...if there are over 1,000 priests and only 37K members, doesn't that mean there's a priest for every 37 people?

    I mean, I know we've got a priest shortage, and that's a Bad Thing...but ISTM there can be such a thing as a priest surplus. I-yi-yi!

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  23. Paul ZummoJanuary 10, 2009 at 10:29 AM

    I guess he couldn't let Doug Kmiec have the most inappropriate "eulogy," could he?

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  24. UnknownJanuary 10, 2009 at 3:08 PM

    I guess he couldn't let Doug Kmiec have the most inappropriate "eulogy," could he?

    Bird of a feather...

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  25. DianeJanuary 10, 2009 at 3:12 PM

    LOL, I thought the same thing!

    Diane, married to a guy named Stephen

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  26. pikkumattiJanuary 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM

    Re: "Well it occurs to me that the last person who can talk about the SSJ and characterize them as "Society of St.John, a weird Catholic men's order" would be any soul who ventures east to the OCA... A micro-denom that (at its most generous reckonings) numbers 37K faithful ..."

    But that's the whole Crunchy Con schtick, isn't it? If you find a problem in a group you associate with, drop out into something entirely inconsequential. Whether it is a "micro-denom", or a little bitty school for your kids, or whatever -- not for the value of the new thing, but rather as a statement against some issue. Makes it a whole lot easier to rail against the big old mean institution without having to take any responsibility toward finding a solution. Just check out and look down your nose.

    Not to mention, when the same issue pops up with your new group (human error has a way of doing that), your new little group is so inconsequential that nobody notices. Besides, your little school or church can be seen as quirky by the Cool Kids, so you won't get left out of the Reindeer Games. Perfect.

    Little wonder that CrunchyConIsm is so unprincipled. You can be a Free Market Conservative without accepting icky big stores like WalMart. You can rag everyone to "shop local", except when the Nouveau Beaujolais comes in. You can be pro-life except when someone cool like Jim Webb runs for Senate (in a state where you don't live! -- so that your conscience doesn't get troubled by actually casting a pro-choice vote). And on and on and on

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  27. UnknownJanuary 11, 2009 at 5:18 PM

    RE:'You can rag everyone to "shop local", except when the Nouveau Beaujolais comes in.'

    How much longer till Whole Foods™ is considered not local? If you can afford the $11.00 per pound coffee there I guess that you are doing your part... And supporting trendy college kids in their part time work for... not much better wages per hour at a 20-hour-per-week job...

    If you are working class, still do avoid "Box Stores"™ even if they sell what you can afford and are staffed by folks who accepted those jobs at those terms.

    Sorry to get off on tangent, this man's latest moves are bringing it all out.

    RE: "Anyway, Timlin wasn't so much not credible as he was *wrong* about the SSJ; I knew good trad Catholics who gave big money to them. They suckered in many people, not just Timlin."
    "

    Has Rod written about the "Protection of the Most Holy Theotokos Monastery, Weaverville NC.... " in his own micro-denom yet?

    Greek Catholics who jumped ship when a murder occured at their "monastery" (one which back when I was in seminary had a GREAT liqour cabinet) about 8 years ago?

    "OCA Protection of the Most Holy Theotokos Monastery (Weaverville, NC)
    The Protection of the Most Holy Theotokos Monastery was founded in 1982. At the time, it was called the Monastery of the Exultation of the Most Holy Cross, it was affiliated with the Eastern Catholic Byzantine Eparchy of Passaic in New Jersey, and it was located in Miami, Florida.

    In 1985, the monastery began a school, Holy Cross Academy. Among the students at the academy were novice monks, teenagers from the Ukraine who had all been brought to Miami by the monastic brotherhood.

    In March of 2001 one of the novice monks, Mykhaylo Kofel, murdered a nun, Michelle Lewis. This young man from the Ukraine confessed to the brutal murder shortly after his arrest.

    However, Mr. Kofel also claimed that he had been subjected to sexual abuse by the monastery?s abbot, Fr. Gregory Wendt, and by the abbot?s right hand man, Fr. Damian Gibault. Both monks have denied these allegations, and no charges have ever been filed against them.

    On October 27, 2003, with the criminal case against Mr. Kofel still unresolved, the monastery was accepted into the Orthodox Church in America by Metropolitan Herman (Swaiko). The group also adopted a new name, the Protection of the Most Holy Theotokos Monastery.

    In response, the Catholic Archdiocese of Miami sent out a bulletin telling their faithful that liturgy at the monastery was no longer considered to be participating in a Catholic mass. Although the monastery solicited among the Orthodox in the area for new students, the academy was forced to close in 2004.

    Mr. Kofel?s guilty plea was accepted by the state of Florida in February of 2005, and he was sentenced to thirty years in prison. After his release, he will be deported to the Ukraine.

    The unusually light sentence was the product of months of negotiations between prosecutors and Mr. Kofel?s defense attorney. According to newspaper accounts at the time, while the state wanted to adequately punish the novice for his crime, it also believed that Mr. Kofel had been abused, and that this abuse was a mitigating circumstance.

    Shortly after Mr. Kofel was sentenced, the monastery relocated to Weaverville, North Carolina.
    http://www.pokrov.org/display.asp?ds=Group&id=12

    If he finds out about them, will he write about them even though few outside the set that reads Pokrov.org would care? Will he opt to move on to Oriental Orthodoxy? Maybe from there to the Church of the East?

    After he leaves the OCA, will he trash the most recently deposed archbishop of the OCA the day he dies?

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  28. dianonymousJanuary 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM

    Simple Sinner, those are pointed questions indeed!

    I understand that the monk stabbed the poor nun more than 100 times. After raping her, natch. And it was after this occurreed -- when it was public knowledge -- that the OCA accepted this monastery into Holy Orthodoxy. Nice.

    I hear this is all detailed in a book called Murder at Holy Cross, available at Amazon. Maybe someone should send a copy to Rod!

    Someone should also put Rod in touch with Matushka Carol, a slightly dotty but very nice lady who lives in Christmas, Florida. She could tell him some tales about his own Gandalfian archbishop that would make his hair curl. Briefly: When her physically abusive [as in: she feared for her life] priest-husband dumped her, the Gandalfian One did nothing to help her; she was left impoverished and briefly homeless, and the OCA did not lift a finger to help -- this was a matushka, wife of an OCA priest, mind you. There's much much more; this is but the tip of the iceberg. Oh, the OCA did nothing to help her when her priest-husband was beating the crap out of her, either. OK, I am getting really angry as I write this. Matushka Carol has a rather jaundiced perspective on Archbishop Gandalf, let's just put it that way. You're right, Simple Sinner: The OCA's as dysfunctional as it gets, yet all Rod can do is obsess about the foibles of a Church he left two years ago. There's something deeply deeply weird about that!

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