Thursday, February 1, 2007

Mo' Money

by Pauli

...for the Catholic League. Yeah, some mock outrage is expressed at the means, but it's a bash nonetheless.


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Posted by Pauli at 2/01/2007 09:49:00 AM

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8 comments:

  1. kathleenFebruary 1, 2007 at 10:18 AM

    i'm also down for a dollar per bash. this could get pretty pricey.

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  2. Andy NowickiFebruary 1, 2007 at 1:38 PM

    Pauli(e), maybe you could spend a post detailing your and your fellow crunchies problems with Dreher's commentary on the state of contemporary Catholicism. Don't y'all agree that a lot has been lost, aestetically and morally, since V2? Or is the really galling thing that Dreher continues to complain about the Church even after his conversion to Orthodoxy? Or is the problem that he takes legitmate criticism and runs with them? Please elaborate.

    Sorry I can't be more insuling at this point, but maybe if your answer displeases me, I could return with a healthy discharge of vitriol, thus giving you what you demand of your readers at contrapauli.blogspot.com...

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  3. PauliFebruary 1, 2007 at 2:27 PM

    Andy: yeah, sure I'll do that. Kathleen et al can chip in, too. But let's make sure we all take our rose-colored glasses off regardless of which time period we're looking at. St. John Chrysostom and many of the fathers had a lot of the same complaints about liturgy, piety, etc. in their time. Pre V-2 by many years I daresay.

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  4. Andy NowickiFebruary 1, 2007 at 3:06 PM

    "fellow con-crunchies" I should have written...

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  5. PauliFebruary 1, 2007 at 3:24 PM

    Diane: But mea culpa! I'm supposed to keep this clean.

    You're doing fine. I really think his selectivity regarding Catholic news is enough to condemn him. His ostensible "I'm a religion writer" excuse can be easily shredded by a quick look at ZENIT. That's why the headline of his post "Dog Bites Man" is so ironic. In 99.9% of the church there is no scandal. Then someone gets bent out of shape about a rumor about a possibility of somebody joining a social group. To me, the headline should be "Man Allegedly Almost Swallows Chihuahua Embryo" or maybe "Tempest In Teapot Excites Bored Catholic Bloggers."

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  6. kathleenFebruary 1, 2007 at 3:25 PM

    "Or is the really galling thing that Dreher continues to complain about the Church even after his conversion to Orthodoxy?"

    this is the nub of the matter for me too. It might be acceptable from someone who is truly clueless socially, but Dreher engineers so much of his commentary to his own advantage (now he is going to heal the rifts of racism because he eats greens, for instance) that the conclusion he does the opposite with catholicism is unavaoidable. that is, Dreher tries to make catholicism look as bad as hard as he tries to make himself look good.

    as you see, i have a hard time with how self-serving his blog, his book, his attitude towards people who disagree is. for me, that is part and parcel of his attitudes toward catholicism. and he *always* claims he's not bashing catholicism when he bashes it. ("I'm not stabbing you in the back, i'm just thrusting my hand forward which happens to be holding a knife, and your back happens to be in my way!")

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  7. PauliFebruary 1, 2007 at 4:13 PM

    Check this out from his "Vile Reporter" post:

    "[T]here were occasions when I would either get into an argument in the confessional with a priest (e.g., the time a priest told me that my wife and I should be using contraception)."

    I have to ask myself what would elicit this response, but that's admittedly a digression. Obviously the priest was heterodox on this point. Giving this kind of advice in the confessional makes it even worse, granted. My question: will Rod balance this with a story of a good experience in the confessional? Will he qualify it by pointing out that it was before he had a regular confessor / spiritual director whom was in line with the church?

    If this kind of incident was the norm for Rod when he was in the Catholic church I just feel really bad that he couldn't figure this stuff out and not be scandalized by the inevitable scandals (Lk 17:1). It is not an uncommon experience, but leaving over it is an uncommon reaction. E.g., my friend was told by a priest that he should "embrace his manhood" regarding sins of lust. (He's still Catholic, BTW.) Maybe whatever priest Rod received instruction from didn't prepare him for that kind of thing; mine did.

    I once went to confession to a grumpy old priest (of the Potato Tribal variety) once who mumbled the absolution in Latin then said rather more loudly, "You're done, now get out of here!" Not nice, but I said, "Thank you, Jesus," etc. and said an extra prayer about Father's hemorrhoids or whatever.

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  8. PauliFebruary 1, 2007 at 5:16 PM

    LOL, Diane.

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